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We're in the process of reforming the rules, and so far we've addressed a good amount, but there's still a lot that can be done. This is where you come in! Put your rule suggestions down in the comments of this topic, and if we find that it is a good suggestion we will consider adding it to the official rule list. Your suggestions could be for current rules, or you could suggest new rules, up to you! This topic will be open to all users, and there will be a staff meeting to discuss some of the best suggestions from this topic and to possibly add them to the rule list. If you have any questions, contact me through Steam, Discord, or Teamspeak. 

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Misspelling on strike under Traitorous Acts.

[Waiting for shooting near rule re-added to kos] x3

das all

 

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I think a general rule in which players can kill a person if they have a valid reason would be a good guideline. Staff would just judgement to decide if the reason stands up, but something like kos on proximity, where there is a zero percent change anyone else could have done whatever, would be a valid reason. This is vague but its just getting back to vanilla TTT instead of adding a million rules.

 

Also make traitor baiting kosable in some cases. (ie. shooting at somebody) instead of forcing a 3x warning. In some cases players Frog up a shot and then try use "It was a T-baiting/misclick" to get the person slain.

 

Also this isn't exactly a rule, but have the disguiser force a default player model, and just get rid of the no kos off skin rule, would solve many disputes.

 

 

 

 

And using the auto-shotgun is a 69-year autoban. That is all

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12 hours ago, Comrade Nick said:

Also this isn't exactly a rule, but have the disguiser force a default player model, and just get rid of the no kos off skin rule, would solve many disputes.

Usually when I use disguiser I take off my skin because it always used to happen to me and it helped so people wouldnt kos me or just guess by skin "oh its oreos"

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18 hours ago, Comrade Nick said:

I think a general rule in which players can kill a person if they have a valid reason would be a good guideline. Staff would just judgement to decide if the reason stands up, but something like kos on proximity, where there is a zero percent change anyone else could have done whatever, would be a valid reason. This is vague but its just getting back to vanilla TTT instead of adding a million rules.

 

Also make traitor baiting kosable in some cases. (ie. shooting at somebody) instead of forcing a 3x warning. In some cases players Frog up a shot and then try use "It was a T-baiting/misclick" to get the person slain.

 

Also this isn't exactly a rule, but have the disguiser force a default player model, and just get rid of the no kos off skin rule, would solve many disputes.

 

 

 

 

And using the auto-shotgun is a 69-year autoban. That is all

  1. The first sentence is logic. But it is your karma if you want to kill that person for doing whatever valid reason they did. But if it's traitor baiting, after not stopping from 3 warnings, that karma is on you. 
  2. Second sentence is absolutely stupid. 
  3. Our TTT is supposed to be vanilla but with pointshop and special rounds... We do have a modded TTT, though... that's no longer even use as a proper way...
  4. Shooting at somebody is already kosable. it was never 3 strikes. Considering, I presume you haven't been on the server for a long time, I guess you didn't read the rules. The rule that wasn't kosable was random shooting, like if you're just shooting the wall/ground/air for no reason, that's 3 strike warning. Frog, case, that's 3 strike warning. He isn't hurting anyone in the air unless someone prop surf. 
  5. That's a developer problem. Pandora can't actually do anything to that. It's the owner/developer's job.

 

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On 4/8/2018 at 1:49 AM, Comrade Nick said:

using the auto-shotgun is a 69-year autoban. That is all

no make it a 369 year autoban pfft actually 779

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On 4/8/2018 at 5:24 PM, Shiro said:
  1. Second sentence is absolutely stupid
  2. I presume you haven't been on the server for a long time, I guess you didn't read the rules.

Damn no need to be a dick. The admin makes a post asking for suggestions and you just go right ahead and say anything I write is stupid, and at the same time insult me.

 

Who hurt you man? Nobody gets this pissy over a single post that wasn't shoved in a locker at least once.

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1 hour ago, Comrade Nick said:

 

Damn no need to be a dick. The admin makes a post asking for suggestions and you just go right ahead and say anything I write is stupid, and at the same time insult me.

 

Who hurt you man? Nobody gets this pissy over a single post that wasn't shoved in a locker at least once.

You've been on the server plenty enough time, I know you. And to call someone's suggestion stupid in a rule suggestion forum is stupid, but to know that someone may have a different view than yours and to still call them stupid is even more stupid because they don't consider your reasoning. So don't sweat the negativity that comes purely from the ego of others.

On to the main issue. I speak with logic, and it is safe to say there is no single way to achieve peace in the server when it comes to player killing in general. There will ALWAYS be an unsportsmanlike player to disagree with the rules and call them unclear or stupid. And most likely there is a flaw in the rules, but what the player is complaining about is not the flaw. Targeting, harassment, words around racism, t-baiting, calling kos, and many more offenses like these are based on the victim's instinct. The victim will retaliate normally, then the offender will call bullshit and try to get the victim slain even though the victim was provoked. These offenses are like a rubber band. Trolls and players pull the rubber band to see when it snaps. We are the rubber band. Once they've broken a rule, we must punish for it. And when someone tries justifying their trolling or provocative actions with what the rules say, they completely ignore player instinct. For example, t-baiting. Players shoot around other players for fun, and when a player feels they are being shot at, the troll gets killed and they pretend they did nothing wrong. Then they call the staff bad staff because we took action upon it. The only thing I consider in these situations is that the provoker knows the risk they're taking, and if things don't go their way and they complain about it, I let them suffer. If they target someone to the point where they're targeted back, let them suffer. If they harass until they feel harassed and maybe killed for it, let them suffer. Words like "nibber" or anything similar to the actual word I refer to gets someone punished. If they don't like it, let them suffer, they asked for it. If someone's reflex kills a t-baiter and the t-baiter doesn't like it, let them suffer. False kos? Make them pay. The whole concil incident is a prime example. He targeted someone and called false kos's on that someone. That someone retaliated by saying stop, even when it wasn't working. If it were me, kill em after 3 warnings. If they bitch about it, tell them they asked for it. If they bring up the rules, mention player instinct and how it's not a set rule.

If it is a really complex situation, the key things to find are who took the risk of making the first offense. They are in the wrong by provoking a player just to report. If both players find that they are right, and no deliberate trolling is found, I wouldn't slay either person. But I have a knack for finding these jerkwads that try to bend the rules, and they don't like me for it. Personally, I feel we've let too many of these things slide, and it annoys the living hell out of me. I don't show up on the TTT server as much because all these idiots who bend rules keep showing up, and to let them become regulars really grinds my gears. All we can do against these players is come up with protocols. Each offense has so many outcomes. We need to live and learn, and take action based off what we know. The staff should be able to come up with a punishment. If someone calls them bad staff for coming up with a solution not listed on the rules, let them suffer. They've earned it.

Edited by Bo Jittins
Spell checks and minor touches.

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Thank you for the post Bo, I like to see posts like these because they build on other's contribution and offer solutions towards the issue.

I think you're right in that players often times try to bend the rules to avoid punishment, and I know from experience that the most frustrating part of being staff is seeing players misbehaving and not being able to do anything about it. There can't be a rule for everything and I think you're right in that player instinct is something that is overlooked too many times on the server, my point was to have staff consider erring on the side of letting things slide unless the player is clearly being malicious. If a player kills an innocent they still lose karma, which is a significant punishment if the player does it repeatedly.

Not every inno kill is rdm, and when I get killed, I try see what the other player was thinking, and often times drop the report If I realize the player had a decent reason to shoot me, even if it technically doesn't go by the rules. I just wish that more players would look at it that way.

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I don't need to be nice. If you can't take insult, you're no better than those who are banned. 

I gave you my honest opinion, because you basically wanted something small added onto the rule when it is a common sense rule. Not everything needs to be on the motd.

 

 

But to Pandora, why must you add a note under the detective rule, I'm pretty sure everyone knows if a rule is specifically for detective... Then innocent can't do those. The one for force test, the note isn't necessary.

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I agree with Bo on this one. I honestly couldn't care less about dealing at punishments to those who deserve them. In the past me dealing out punishments and having people complain about them was the thing that kept the forums alive. I could be on the server for a couple hours and then by the end of it have two or more people complaining about being punished on the forums. Now-a-days it's only that much worse as well. Now you have all these people that get on the server and if you say one little thing that they don't agree with you are suddenly targetting them or harassing them. It's pathetic how easily people get their feelings hurt over things now. However if there is a rule that needs enforced I will gladly enforce it. I don't care if people do or don't like me for delivering the punishments. As a staff it is my responsibility to deal out punishments to those that deserve it. You break the rules then you suffer the consequences. Although if someone kills and they have a reason that I deem is fair yet the report doesn't get cancelled then I probably won't slay. If common sense/decency can be used to keep from dealing out slays/kicks/bans then I'll do what is right. Other than that I have no problem playing the bad guy when necessary. In the past people would be talking to me on TS and telling me that someone was Mass RDMing or breaking the rules in whatever way and I would instantly volunteer to get on the server and take over this bans for them. I don't mind being the bad guy just so some other staff can keep their hands clean if they are unsure. I'll do the research and lay out the punishment if necessary. IF people have it coming to them then so be it. 

The rules we have on the server now are far different than the ones I was used to. Things have changed to accomodate the people who complain and whine about every little thing. So even though I don't agree with many things I will still do what I am supposed to do. That goes for all Staff and players on the server. You aren't forced to be here so if you don't agree with the rules or with certain things then you can either leave or you can suck it up and deal with it. If more people would just grasp that understanding then things could be much better in my opinion.

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3 hours ago, Shiro said:

I don't need to be nice. If you can't take insult, you're no better than those who are banned. 

I gave you my honest opinion, because you basically wanted something small added onto the rule when it is a common sense rule. Not everything needs to be on the motd.

 

 

But to Pandora, why must you add a note under the detective rule, I'm pretty sure everyone knows if a rule is specifically for detective... Then innocent can't do those. The one for force test, the note isn't necessary.

First of all, we are a unity. (((Comrade Nick respected you until you disrespected him))) I have been here for a mere 3-4 years, but I don't need time on an online community to know I don't disrespect people who respect me. Loyalty and valor. We use respective words to respective players. Comrade Nick is cool as hell, plays so fair, very respectful person here. But why you gotta do him like that, especially when you don't like people who do this to you? You've played the victim card more times than any player I know, and now you say, "I don't need to be nice. If you can't take insult, you're no better than those who are banned". You "test" your us, and by us I mean the staff, by seeing if they'd do something to defend you, yet you clearly have no problem putting Comrade down. I remember when Reimu made that League of Legends joke about how you said "who's bot lane" on ARAM. You hated them, deleted literally everyone and said you'd leave the server for good. I actually pitied you when I heard about what they said. But what you said takes the pity away. In the end, I've listed facts, hate me or not, you're being extremely hypocritical. If you don't need to be nice, then why'd you get pablo banned twice over his sarcasm. At least he didn't even mean what he said.

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1 hour ago, Kyledozer said:

I agree with Bo on this one. I honestly couldn't care less about dealing at punishments to those who deserve them. In the past me dealing out punishments and having people complain about them was the thing that kept the forums alive. I could be on the server for a couple hours and then by the end of it have two or more people complaining about being punished on the forums. Now-a-days it's only that much worse as well. Now you have all these people that get on the server and if you say one little thing that they don't agree with you are suddenly targetting them or harassing them. It's pathetic how easily people get their feelings hurt over things now. However if there is a rule that needs enforced I will gladly enforce it. I don't care if people do or don't like me for delivering the punishments. As a staff it is my responsibility to deal out punishments to those that deserve it. You break the rules then you suffer the consequences. Although if someone kills and they have a reason that I deem is fair yet the report doesn't get cancelled then I probably won't slay. If common sense/decency can be used to keep from dealing out slays/kicks/bans then I'll do what is right. Other than that I have no problem playing the bad guy when necessary. In the past people would be talking to me on TS and telling me that someone was Mass RDMing or breaking the rules in whatever way and I would instantly volunteer to get on the server and take over this bans for them. I don't mind being the bad guy just so some other staff can keep their hands clean if they are unsure. I'll do the research and lay out the punishment if necessary. IF people have it coming to them then so be it. 

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2 hours ago, Shiro said:

I don't need to be nice. If you can't take insult, you're no better than those who are banned. 

I gave you my honest opinion, because you basically wanted something small added onto the rule when it is a common sense rule. Not everything needs to be on the motd.

 

 

But to Pandora, why must you add a note under the detective rule, I'm pretty sure everyone knows if a rule is specifically for detective... Then innocent can't do those. The one for force test, the note isn't necessary.

First of all, this post was supposed to be a suggestion area for people who wanted to voice their opinions on rules, not a place to criticize people on their opinions based on your own. You're a representative of this community, so you shouldn't be insulting people for simple suggestions or their thoughts in the first place. What kind of a ridiculous statement is "If you can't take an insult, you're no better than those who are banned"? You of all people shouldn't be saying something like this, if you have had to take breaks from the community over something as simple as a sarcastic joke. If you're going to bring up unnecessary noting on rules, then why did you bring up multiple times a simple spelling error? You're posts in this topic were completely unprovoked, unnecessary, abhorrent, and childish, and you have the audacity to say that Comrade Nick is no better than those who are banned if he doesn't take needless insults from you? By the way, I added that clarification at the end of the detective rule for force testing because there have been a lot of innocents that try to force test people if they're proven, or if they have suspicion on them, so I clarified that so it didn't happen again or cause anymore confusion. 

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Oh Pandora! Not exactly the right place for this, but I have a question about the new motd!

Ok so i love that (last i checked) it now says if someone passes an visible un id'd without a threat, to do the standard warnings for them to id it before ya kos 'em for it. BUT i've been told by some staff to ignore that rule in the motd (and that they had asked you, Pandora, about the rule and you confirmed to ignore it) and not to slay if someone is killed for passing an un id'd even though no warnings are given.

Just thought i'd ask you to confirm this, since I wouldn't be surprised if there was miscommunication cause I was told this thru a "this person said that this person said" chain.

 

as far as suggestions go, maybe add a part to clarify what is and isn't kosable for discombobs/incends. 

I know yall dont wanna bog down the motd but I've heard a wide variety of rumors over my few months (e.g. all disc. kos on dolls, incends not kos if no one is damaged) and until we get a complete set of rules elsewhere, I think it is important that there is text to reference, especially cause staff often have conflicting opinions on unwritten rules. (nvrmind i see that the motd says damaging w grenades)

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Just now, Panda said:

Oh Pandora! Not exactly the right place for this, but I have a question about the new motd!

Ok so i love that (last i checked) it now says if someone passes an visible un id'd without a threat, to do the standard warnings for them to id it before ya kos 'em for it. BUT i've been told by some staff to ignore that rule in the motd (and that they had asked you, Pandora, about the rule and you confirmed to ignore it) and not to slay if someone is killed for passing an un id'd even though no warnings are given.

Just thought i'd ask you to confirm this, since I wouldn't be surprised if there was miscommunication cause I was told this thru a "this person said that this person said" chain.

 

as far as suggestions go, maybe add a part to clarify what is and isn't kosable for discombobs/incends. 

I know yall dont wanna bog down the motd but I've heard a wide variety of rumors over my few months (e.g. all disc. kos on dolls, incends not kos if no one is damaged) and until we get a complete set of rules elsewhere, I think it is important that there is text to reference, especially cause staff often have conflicting opinions on unwritten rules.

Which staff told you this? I never confirmed to any staff that they should ignore that or any other rule to the best of my knowledge. What it says in the rule list/motd is what should be enforced and followed. If possible tell me which staff told you this, so I can tell them they're stupid lol.

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I agree with Panda on the clarification of Discoms and Incends. As I've always done in the past few years of the server it has been if you throw an incend or discom into a position to where it will damage/kill anybody then it is KOS. However if you throw either one into an area where nobody is at such as the water or off a cliff or something similar than it is perfectly fine. If it were to be KOS for just simply throwing one of them then they should be removed from the server as it is just a weapon to be abused.

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Lul this topic is starting to go the wrong direction. Stick to discussing rule suggestions/changes/additions/clarifications before it gets locked. If you want to insult each other go do it over voice client or 1v1 each other in Minecraft.

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5 minutes ago, Synestive said:

Lul this topic is starting to go the wrong direction. Stick to discussing rule suggestions/changes/additions/clarifications before it gets locked. If you want to insult each other go do it over voice client or 1v1 each other in Minecraft.

1v1 in Minecraft....The ultimate way to settle a dispute!

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5 minutes ago, Synestive said:

Lul this topic is starting to go the wrong direction. Stick to discussing rule suggestions/changes/additions/clarifications before it gets locked. If you want to insult each other go do it over voice client or 1v1 each other in Minecraft.

Agreed, wouldn't have thought it would go so off topic.

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Every time someone shoots a shotgun, every pellet is 5 days added to their ban.

If someone wins the rounds with a shotgun: Automatic 4 year ban

 

this best suggestion

 

also We wAnT robLoX mApS 

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